I'm rarely the kind of gal that cries during movies or books and I was sobbing. (Photo of Shirley; "Canada" on building; T.J. Shears walking), Mr. T.J. SHEARS: My mom was just like, `Oh, hey.' Suddenly, the Bagbys were appointed Zachary's main carers. Turner said she was afraid the Bagbys would try to harm her boy. I got to see what happens to the bastard who did this. He was in, Mr. SHEARS: I would cook supper sometimes when she wasn't around. Eventually, David and Kate broke up for good. MORRISON: I never know what to think about these feelings that people get. Top subscription boxes right to your door, 1996-2023, Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates, Learn more how customers reviews work on Amazon. don't have these meltdowns and emotional scenes. I don't know how they are still living, but he described their heartbreak and pain so effectively. But he was moved to honor his friend the best way he knew how, by making a film. I may be in Fantasyland. Cant imagine the pain the author went through writing this book. It was like they had gone back to what it might have been like when they first got married.. He'd been shot five times, including in the back of the head. It pains me to award only two stars to a book written by David Bagby, but I want to use the Goodreads' ranking system more accurately. They smothered him in kisses and often spoke to him about Andrew. This hope is brutally extinguished when Shirley kills Zachary on one of her visitations. Newfoundland to meet the now 11-month-old little boy. After breaking up at the final bonfire and ultimately reconciling, here's what David and Kate have been up to since Temptation Island season 2 aired. That was the last time the Bagbys saw Zachary alive. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I understand that. It was part of a pattern summarized in the Canadian governments investigative report: Dr. On Nov. 3, Andrew drove Turner to the Arnold Palmer Regional Airport. Apparently it takes years to extradite criminals from Canada back to the USA, and despite being wanted for a vicious murder Dr. Turner was granted bail (unlike in the USA nobody had to put any actual money up to guarantee Turner's release, all she needed to gain her freedom was talk a few friends into signing paperwork, despite being wanted for a brutal murder!) Unidentified Man #22: We will develop policy specific to children. The Bagbys couldnt imagine a darker moment than their sons November 2001 murder. My heart aches for Kate and David Bagby. and our I cried all the way reading this, and also while watching the documentary. Meanwhile, Turner had a new obsession. After helping Kurt Kuene with his documentary Dear Zachary: A Letter from a father to his Son I was honored that David Bagby sent me his book as a thank you. And he was beautiful, Kate says. When I was growing up, she just seemed like just a normal mom, Sheers, 24, says. KATE: (Zachary hugging Kate) This is your Uncle Kurt. ', Because I know you would be worried if we disappeared for a couple of days or, MORRISON: Was she planning something? Zachary held his hands out, reaching for Kate.. MORRISON: How'd you feel about having a much younger brother come, Mr. SHEARS: I thought it was great. Zachary enjoyed himself in the water and a couple of hours later the Bagbys drove Turner and the baby home. Kate and David Bagby's beloved son was murdered by a deranged ex-lover, who then announced she was carrying his baby. Mr. BAGBY: We were out shopping or something. Tragically, Shirley kills Zachary in a murder-suicide. They seemed so real and genuine, and showed more raw emotion than any survivor of a crime I hadn't ever seen before. Andrew assured his filmmaker friend Kurt that the 40-year-old was a passing fancy. Or was this her, way of demanding that they suspend their critical faculties and declare their, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I don't know what to give Zachary. We're churning. Woman #11: Doesn't matter what happened. As the police searched for Turner and Zachary through the day on Aug. 18, Kate and David waited in their apartment with the Rev. She picked Zachary up and wandered for an hour or more along coastal roads and paths. children, who had recently been in a bad car accident. After reading what happened to that poor innocent little boy I truly think that the people responsible for leaving him with his dangerous, violent suicidal mother should do hard time in prison. We. Was it true? But I used to look at her hand and think, it. Its rage with me, he says. Kate went to the floor, and I kicked the door and--oh, we, just--just like with Andrew, there's nothing you can do. How they were able to do that is phenomenal, actually, says the Rev. They hadn't been identified, but it's obvious who they, MORRISON: He was right. a month after 30 days. Elsewhere in St. Johns, T.J. Shears, who first reported his mother and Zachary missing, was suffering his own devastation. Man #26: and for having the strength to make it through, Unidentified Man #27: With what you've been through, to still be, carrying on, still to hold your heads up and keep going and pushing forward is, (Kate and David; photo of David and Kate), Unidentified Woman #13: I think God put some people down on Earth, Mr. A. BAGBY: (Wedding video) We're brothers, and I love you. Mr. BAGBY: And part of Andrew's problem was, I think, he was just too nice to say, you know, `Get the hell out of my life. At 3am on Monday, August 18, Turner drove to a near by marina . David can go from nearly shaking in anger when he talks about the murder to almost sobbing in sadness over the memory of his boy. On Aug. 16, Turner and the Bagbys took Zachary swimming at Bowring Park in St. Johns, Newfoundland. Society as a whole should take the lessons derived from this book and just pray the same tragedy never befalls their own family. to reconsider getting some help with that. I--we both did. "She was not the woman you wanted involved with your son. For David, of course, there is the book, but there is also the caldron of emotion that refuses to let him rest until hes sure hes done all he can to prevent others from going through what he and Kate have endured. MORRISON: So different from who Andrew really was, a kind, devoted son who made Eagle Scout at 15. Shirley asked them to take custody of Zachary while she was gone. Then when he sort of tried to get her to go away, she wouldnt.. With Shirley Turner out of jail it was time for the Bagbys to clench their teeth again. Christopher Snow, of St. Michael and All Angels Church, which the Bagbys attended in Newfoundland. You can, just--there's nothing. Do you feel all right about putting, MORRISON: Safe and warm inside the Bagby house, as the gales of a, Newfoundland winter raged outside, the inevitable happened. By this stage, he had moved to a new job in the US. The worst part for me was that Shirley cheated everyone out of seeing justice done. MORRISON: Kurt and Andrew grew up together in Northern California, where the fledgling director gave Andrew starring roles in some of his earliest ventures. In 2006, the press was there again to cover the issuance of a report on the death of, (Newspaper article; David on TV show being interviewed; Confederation, Unidentified Reporter: (Newscast) The government has received a scathing. No spoilers here for my friends but you must watch this film. David and Kate Bagby must have been saints to have had to tolerate personal dealings with their only child's murderess,and basically have to groval to her to even see their precious only-ever grandchild.Yet,they did whatever they could for the sake of Zachary.Most people (myself included) would have made away with Shirley Turner the first chance they got.Why should they have even been put in that insane situation in the first place? But that didn't erase their unease, or a remarkable feeling, (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; David), Mr. BAGBY: I considered killing her myself, seriously considered it. MORRISON: But then she claimed she couldn't find it. MORRISON: It was November 2001 when Dr. Andrew Bagby, 28 years old, was found in hospital scrubs lying facedown in the state park in Derry Township, Pennsylvania. The rest of the documentary describes the fallout of Zachary's death, but for his family and for the judicial system. MORRISON: As Kurt tracked down Andrew's friends for the documentary he was making, he discovered that not a one had anything favorable to say about Shirley. Reviewed in the United States on September 4, 2020. HEATHER: I was so excited that he was dating somebody. Sorry, there was a problem loading this page. He eventually moved on to a residency in Latrobe, Pa., and she went to work as a family practice doctor in Council Bluffs, Iowa. is a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system. to let out hints that Shirley Turner was the prime suspect. KATE: So this man said to me, `Do you know that Shirley Turner's pregnant with your son's child? I read this book in a single day on 2 airplanes several months ago. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Then I can't consent to more time right now. So I gave her the. Cpl. Both reactions are legitimate, prompted by the same tragic loss, David says. We also may change the frequency you receive our emails from us in order to keep you up to date and give you the best relevant information possible. However, David and Toneata's relationship did not last long. Then, upon. Andrew is dead. It didnt take Pennsylvania police long to put together a suspect and motive, according to the 1,100-page Turner Review and Investigation, which was commissioned by the province of Newfoundland. Zachary's birth gave the documentary new impetus. What he and his wife went through is truly disgusting. Really? (David and Kate; photo of Andrew by tape being put into recording device; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you babysitting? Newfoundlanders tend to trust each other, perhaps it's because, generally, With a skilled lawyer on hand to do Shirley Turner's bidding, the. I mean, she. In February 2002, Turners Canadian lawyer made an announcement that changed everything: Shirley Turner was pregnant with Andrew Bagbys baby. Nor do the memories, starting with the Nov. 6, 2001, phone call. They might as well have sent a taxi to her to help take him out and drown him. After trying to make things work for a while, the pair realized they wouldn't be able to overcome all the negativity and obstacles that developed in their relationship after their time onTemptation Island. It is recommended that you watch the film first before reading on (though do be warned it is NOT an easy or pleasant watch in the slightest. I would have to dream up some reason to go over, there in the middle of the night, to--for me to just appear on her doorstep, Mr. BAGBY: Turned out I wasn't. Andrew's parents say he tried, frequently, to ease out of the relationship altogether, but Shirley wouldn't buy it. So far, nothing has changed - but continuing the legal battle helps give David and Kate the strength to carry on. But he could not get rid of her.. I only live a block away.' She was placed on suicide watch after intake screening. In this brutally tragic true story a Father (David Bagby, author) and Mother deal with the slaying of their son by his ex-girlfriend. First, the provincial and territorial courts must determine whether the accused should be jailed in Canada as the proceedings move forward. Serious crime is rare in this country. As the months slowly passed, the Bagbys visitation rights were expanded. We decided we have to go to Canada to watch the trial and we have to go to make sure the baby gets a good start, David says. She woke the baby and carried him up the stairs to her home, David recalls. He's a little bleary eyed, but. Nobody drives 16 hours after you've just broken up with them.' (Photos of David and Kate with Zachary; Shirley being escorted from court). Mr. BAGBY: What a flake. David Bagby. Oh, my. Such memories are happy and hard. However awkward Shirley Turner made it, they were sweet, cooperative. ', Mr. SIMPSON: And I told him, I said, `You know, Andrew, when I break up with somebody and put them on a plane and send them 1300 miles away,' I said, `They knock on my front door, I'm going out the back door and I'm calling the police.' He had returned to the US and had discovered a passion for family practice, where his love for people--and theirs for him--seemed as natural, as comfortable as the quiet town in Pennsylvania in which he'd chosen to live. It would take two weeks. The September 2006 report, which chronicles the law enforcement and legal developments in the case, provides many of the details in the story that follows. There was a problem loading your book clubs. For those who've asked how Kate & David Bagby are doing now, here's a lovely article from Diane Crocker at Newfoundland's The Western Star. This is an amazing true story that waswell, not conveyed with the same fiery delivery seen in the film "Dear Zachary". "Kate and I are very close and that helps. Shirley. MORRISON: Shirley also claimed to have been at home in Iowa, sick in bed the day of the murder. Mr. SHEARS: Mm, yeah. In the, tribute documentary their son's best friend Kurt Kuenne was making to someday, give Zachary, the Bagbys' friends recount how difficult it was for David and. And I said, `Who?' MORRISON: The ammunition used to kill Andrew was CCI .22 caliber bullets. Mr. BAGBY: We fret and worried and everything. Andrew Bagby was an easygoing man with a wide circle of friends who found it almost impossible to say no to people. It took a series of calls, but Kate eventually heard the words she so feared. Maybe the last time you talked to Shirley there was some very subtle change in tone. I kind of need to move on from that because, like I. said, I'm a Bagby male. `When Andrew would cry, David would say, `To think we paid good money for this,' Kate jokes. put Zachary on her lap to open presents, and he resists. This provision has a good chance of causing judges and prosecutors to fix what got Zachary killed.". Then, in August 2003, Shirley Turner killed herself and the one-year-old Zachary by jumping into the Atlantic Ocean. Mr. SHEARS: She's kind of reliving a university life again. Dr. ANDREW BAGBY: (Wedding videotape) Best man is a little bit of a poor title for these things. The watch was continued after a more comprehensive psychological exam. Specific in nature? He says he would blunt his emotions, shut them off, and concentrate on the baby. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) That you aren't trying to take my place. There was the swimming pool and the pool table and the parents who were always there, but never in the way. flying; Canadian flag flying; Supreme Court of Newfoundland building exterior; photos of Shirley; court document; university building; man talking to, reporters; court documents; Kate and David). KATE: (To Zachary) Kurt knew your daddy when he was a little boy. Well, I was hurt in an, accident. Please try again. You can't tell them this over the phone. Hed been shot five times. And that always radiated through the house.. Father murdered. He grew into a smart kid, an Eagle Scout who loved to read. Obsessive and unstable, Shirley Turner lied to the police and fled to her family home in Newfoundland before she could be arrested. MORRISON: Even more, the Bagbys' gloom was mixed with worry. I didn't have. Since this was written by the first victim's father, little to no backstory was provided for the accused murderer. It is a priority for CBC to create products that are accessible to all in Canada including people with visual, hearing, motor and cognitive challenges. whose parents are charged with a violent crime. Now called Dear Zachary, it would be a "letter" to Andrew's son about the father he would never meet. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I do have a complaint, finally. After all the backlash he received for his behavior, however, his decision to step away from the spotlight isn't surprising. Since then, David has spent time enjoying the single life and reconnecting with some of the guys fromTemptation Island. Cpl. MORRISON: When T.J. heard about Andrew's murder Mr. SHEARS: I just figure, `OK, well, he was in America. Go away.'. I don't know how they are still living, but he described their heartbreak and pain so effectively. Tragic doesn't even come close to describing this case. One of the best books that I have ever read. In November 2002, a year after Andrew's murder, the judge in Turner's extradition case finally threw out the queries raised by her lawyer and put Turner in jail, ruling there was enough evidence to warrant a trial. "They are appalled and outraged.". We would've done handstands and cartwheels to. KATE: Ah, it was wonderful. In Canada, extradition involves a number of complex steps. A tragedy that could have been prevented. Shirley Turner, a 40-year-old mother of three and Andrew's on-off girlfriend, had fled a bloodstained scene littered with incriminating evidence. When we met him, we just melted as if it was magic. I dont know.. In November 2002, when, Zachary was four months old, a Canadian judge ruled that a properly instructed, jury would likely find Shirley Turner guilty and ordered her incarceration, while awaiting a decision from justice officials to surrender her to the, United States. Thankfully, their relationship didn't turn into a lifelong romance. Just from that, conversation, you could kind of get the sense that she didn't want Zachary, MORRISON: And for the Bagbys, Shirley issued what sounded somehow. You were done. Play trailer 2:39. It also analyzed reviews to verify trustworthiness. First she killed Andrew Bagby. But if her claims were true, and she was carrying their grandchild, then they were clear: they wanted custody. Once he discovered she was accused of killing a past boyfriend, he told officers, he tried to break off the relationship. KATE: It was shocking, but not a surprise. When I read true crime, I like to see more back story of the people involved. MORRISON: But Andrew did agree to meet Shirley in a nearby park. I couldn't see the point anymore. The Bagbys couldn't have been happier, particularly since. show takes four couples who are having trouble. MORRISON: But would that somebody turn out to be a blessing or a curse? And now a vindictive stalker had killed him shot him again and again until the gun wouldnt shoot any more and left him to die in the November cold of a remote parking lot near Latrobe. MORRISON: You're in turmoil at that point. of a woman and a baby on the beach, and I lost it again. Tragedy, doubled Andrew Bagby, a gregarious family-practice resident at Latrobe, was found shot to death on Nov. 5, 2001, in Keystone State Park. (Newfoundland; Shears driving; photo of Shirley and Zachary; water at night; Mr. SHEARS: She said Zachary was being fussy and that just driving him, around would calm him down. He was especially delighted to hear that David and Kate Bagby are once again hauling out boxes of Christmas decorations that went unused for so long. MORRISON: In July 2003, a year and eight months after their son's, murder, Andrew's friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, who'd been making the, documentary film for Zachary about the father he'd never know, arrived in. Mr. BAGBY: Shirley killed Andrew. Once, she called him 30 times while he was at a pal's wedding. Kate and David Bagby's beloved son was murdered by a deranged ex-lover, who then announced she was carrying his baby. Colleagues warned him to go to the police but, instead, after work that day he drove to a car park to meet her. What shocked fans the most was that Kate actually took David back, and the pair dated for a while after the show aired. As the couple continued to date, Andrew complained to friends that Turner would not leave him alone. He went to work at Latrobe Area Hospital. Help contribute to IMDb. One for such a wonderful young man that you raised. Switch between reading the Kindle book & listening to the Audible narration with, Get the Audible audiobook for the reduced price of $7.49 after you. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) He is too happy, Kathleen. He was jolly.. Very powerful story, artfully told. But with special people, yes. The couple's long fight for legal changes in Canada ended Wednesday with a new law. Authorities later determined his former lover Dr.. After Andrew Bagby's death, Turner left Pennsylvania for Newfoundland, her home province, and gave birth to their son. In the fall of 2002, Turner and her lawyer agreed that the Bagbys should gain temporary custody of Zachary if Turner were sent to jail. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. A well written memoir by a father who son was murdered by an ex-girlfriend that was pregnant with his son's child. We. After the child was born the clearly mentally-ill mother wrecked havok on the grandparents lives. In January 2003, the Canadian appeals court ordered her freed while the extradition case moved forward. I'm tired of this. Andrew Bagby broke up with Shirley but she lured him to an isolated location where she shot him 5 times. especially long work day and dropped himself in front of the television. MORRISON: Andrew was the only child of software engineer David Bagby and his wife, Kate, a nurse practitioner. I thought it was just going to chronicle a murdered man's life, for his son to reflect back on when he was older - because his father was killed before he was born. Mr. SHEARS: I can remember being really upset and pissed off about that, happening because I had--I had friends here, and I had no time to tell anybody, basically why. She eventually kills Zachary in a murder-suicide. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. Someone found a car that didn't belong. I, Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Look, we will do what is best for Zachary. The decision was put on hold, however, with an appeal hearing scheduled for September. (David speaking to reporters; Kate speaking to reporters; David on radio show; "Dear Zachary" poster; Kurt editing video; photo of Andrew; photo of Zachary; Mr. KUENNE: I almost gave up making this film when you were, killed. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Or what about the one of me and Andrew? On November 3, 2001, he broke up with Turner at the airport before putting her on a plane back to Council Bluffs, 1,300 miles away. was that they'd have to accept her daily phone calls. David has written a book about the case, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss. MORRISON: When somebody tells you that your mother may have--was a suspect Mr. SHEARS: No, it has to be a mistake. But in January 2003, the legal system confounded their expectations yet again. Unidentified Woman #12: We won't forget their son. Slain tot's grandparents welcome new bail law. On Aug. 5, Turners social worker visited her apartment to check on Turner and Zachary. She was deranged. Shortly after being taken into custody, Turner announced that she was pregnant with Andrew's child, a boy she named Zachary. He just lit up when he saw Kate, David says. Andrew, despite his obvious abilities, was turned down by every medical school in the country. It is gut wrenching to read the details and to hear how much both Andrew and David were loved by both David and his wife. Another guy and I said, `Sure. But Andrew's murder was only the first in a string of tragic events. in honor of his beloved friend Andrew, and then for Andrew's son, Zachary. As someone very invested in this story, I am enjoying this book so far. He found that officials working on a presumption of Turner's innocence were more worried about her welfare than that of her son. Book details an absolute tragedy in the Canadian justice system. We use your sign-up to provide content in the ways you've consented to and improve our understanding of you. Bring your club to Amazon Book Clubs, start a new book club and invite your friends to join, or find a club thats right for you for free. The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. He is campaigning to change Canadian bail law so no one charged with murder is allowed to walk the streets like Shirley Turner. He loved to laugh, Kate says. MORRISON: When another of Andrew's best friends, Kurt Kuenne, heard about the murder, he also went into a tailspin. In June, the federal justice minister ordered her turned over to U.S. authorities. He, consumed by anger. She worked as a doctor at the Memorial University of Newfoundland, in Canada, where Andrew trained. The new law enhances ongoing child welfare improvements that can be traced back to Zachary's death, he said in an interview. And if you haven't seen it, you need to. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on July 4, 2017. i read this after seeing the amazing documentary and still felt the rage of the incredible injustice of it all whilst reading it. Kate and David married five months later. I don't think I could have done what they did. I tended to break down in rage.. My heart goes out to Mr. and Mrs. Bagby. He was in a little crib and David and I knelt down at his feet and he was just, beautiful.". In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in Keystone State Park outside Latrobe, Pennsylvania, five bullet wounds in his face, chest, buttocks, and the back of the head. So we called, and he came over and told us that Zachary and Shirley were. At first, the Bagbys did not know whether to believe her. Turner, despite being under orders to avoid contact with the couple, sent them photographs of the baby and a "baby book" so they could fill out their side of a family tree. After viewing product detail pages, look here to find an easy way to navigate back to pages you are interested in. (Shirley in court; Supreme Court of Newfoundland sign), Mr. BAGBY: And then they started slogging through the courts with one issue, MORRISON: In the meantime, Andrew's parents made a momentous. So he came straight for me. It's great. The provincial court has tightened bail regulations, but has not eliminated bail for murder suspects. Sold and delivered by Audible, an Amazon company, By completing your purchase, you agree to Audibles. Andrew and Zachary's murders. Whom was also a doctor. I cried with rage, almost like the Bagby's and I normally do not get emotional when it comes to true crime novels. MORRISON: Coming up, Andrew dead. It is scary and shocking and I found myself admiring them in a way I have admired few and wondering how they managed to go on. The public declaration all but removed the Bagbys doubts. Something went wrong, please try again later. When they pulled up at Turners place, the mother slipped Zachary out of his car seat. and, despite her history of unstable behavior, stalking men who wanted to escape from her insanity and documented history of suicidal gestures when rejected by any of her numerous lovers Shirley Turner was allowed to retain primary physical and legal custody of her son that she was pregnant with when she murdered his father, Zachary. Kurt Kuenne created the movie as a kind of big-screen scrapbook to immortalize Andrew Bagby, one of his best friends from childhood. Mr. KUENNE: You know, he said--she said, `Look, I'm not looking for another husband. Yes, I went to great lengths to read this book and I'm glad I did! The Bagbys were confident Turner would be returned to Pennsylvania for trial in a matter of weeks. I said, `Find her, and I think you'll find who did this.'. His wife and himself also were quick to not harvest bitterness towards Turner's children,relatives,etc. Instead, our system considers things like how recent a review is and if the reviewer bought the item on Amazon. I suggest you keep any heavy items out of reach because you will want to throw them at the television screen & a box of tissues because you will need them. Mr. BAGBY: I have a lot of trouble with those things too, and I suspect what really goes on, what's called intuition, is really a very, very complex calculation of lots of little indicators, little things that Andrew said on the phone maybe. By the time they arrived at Turner's house, Zachary was asleep and Kate and David prepared to leave. David Bagby, who plans to send a copy of his book to key Canadian legislators, says he will continue to fight for bail reform. MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. (Photo of David and Kate; airplane; lake and coast), MORRISON: But here's the thing. And if they don't charge her, they had no way to restrict her travel. It is absolutely heartbreaking. Zachary Andrew Turner was born July 18, 2002. The legal system helped her kill Zachary. But he was accepted here, St. John's, Newfoundland, the easternmost point in North America. The treatments worked a sweet miracle and on Sept. 25, 1973, Andrew David Bagby was born. 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