Dan also was in numerous meetings with James McDonald prior to his firing. Judson University is shaping lives that shape the world. Julie. But But I remember saying to the guys, listen, heres the passages Ive been studying. I appreciate elders (Hebrews 13:17). Hi. Ed Stetzer was given a car by James MacDonald, along with a bunch of cash and other things that Roys documents in her reporting. Great! It seems we are being punished for the acts of someone who was our spiritual leader. You did you have any idea that that this was out there, and might get aired? Theres a number of narratives out there right now about how these letters came to the elder board. A strong woman with a weak husband will become a toxic woman. Dominican Republic, a resort there and invited their wives to come with them. I certainly am no Bible scholar. In a recent Instagram story, Visconti, pastor of Generation Church in Mesa, claimed abuse is not a biblical justification for divorce. And in an Instagram post on November 21 that received 5,621 likes Visconti wrote: A weak woman with a strong husband will become a strong woman. James MacDonald Suspends New Home Church Network Julie Roys September 29, 2020 Seven months after launching a Home Church Network (HcN) for those who "struggle to get to church or to stay in church," former celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, is suspending the program. . So so sorry for anyone who has had to face the James MacDonald storm. And the things that were done to them after they left. But by the time we were done that night, the decision that night was two things. Its not being nice, polite, or inoffensive. Had they reached all the elders at this point? It looks like these contemporary churches are just fundamentalists in different garb. Jared Prayed for you just now. I totally get the emotion that you must have felt because I felt it, too. Wow! 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James McDonald recently did a video with Ron Duitsman, as you said, former chairman of the elder board, where he claims this was all part of a campaign by Dallas Jenkins, who's a former executive leadership team member at Harvest. Again, six, absolutely scathing letters. And I was still on the elder board, we shrunk the elder board that next week down to nine men. How can we approve this? ChurchLeaders has reported extensively on MacDonald and Harvest, which began experiencing unrest back in 2013. And so I was pulling into the garage, and I knew I knew, as soon as I pulled in the garage, you know, I was, I was gonna go drive up to whatever floor and go to the meeting. Not everybody had the physical letters, but we talked through what was in the letters. And I was muted on my phone. James Macdonald is a wolf and sadly so many have been fooled by this charlatan. But like I said, Hes really working hard to rewrite history. Ill write a statement. How do spot a safe pastorand can. Like, I cant believe this. Im gonna put it up on my Facebook page, on my blog. . Yes, I agree. And its to warn people, right? But before I dive into my interview with Dan, I just want to take a minute to thank the sponsors of the Roys report, Judson University and Marquardt of Barrington. And I got the text. That this was all a plot by him that he was vengeful, towards James McDonald. And then he apologized. And that was the day that Mancow Muller aired these excerpts. I wish Id never done it. You can unconditionally love someone. . The whole crooked machine needs to be brought down. And I listened to it. Gosh she is just filthy with gossip as fact and at very best half the story. SMH. According to anindependent auditof Harvest Bible Chapel, disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, siphoned off millions in church funds to support his lavish lifestyle. (Julie Roys) Eight years ago, prominent author and pastor, John MacArthur, strongly warned the Moody Bible Institute about its association with now-disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald. This is the most used and abused (pun intended) argument. And in those letters like Jacob Ross, who was the bodyguard of James McDonald. I pray for the man. Im sorry, before a so called board.removes a man of God they must first consider the fruit of his ministry. And to give you the flavor of the meeting, when I walked in the room, and we all greeted each other, we were in the former executive pastors office around an oval table, and James McDonald sitting across from me. And I looked at it, and I could not read the whole letter in one sitting. It basically says Jesus is as real as Santa Claus. Like this had been a months long drawn out battle. Very sad situation for James and the elders as well. Her articles have appeared in numerous periodicals. For narcissists, attracting attention is the point. Should have that should have been enough of enough of a clue for me to say, Wait, wait, wait, thats a check. You disseminated down to the elders, and then that became really the sticking point for James, wasnt it? Were supposed to approve this budget, and we dont even have a line item. I didnt know these things were going on, but Im so sorry. Julie can and has spoken for herself, but I must speak up against loaded questions like this. Well, youre welcome. Opinion: What is Revivaland is it Happening at Asbury? My husband and I pray that anyone who has been hurt or used by Im can heal. If the church wants to regulate marriage, let them say you cant get remarried in their church if you are already married in the eyes of the church. I knew letters were coming to the elder board per First Timothy 5. How does this relate to his view of women? Pastor James will provide answers in upcoming featured video posts. It was a large elder board. But according to a recent email by MacDonald, hes a victim of defamation by an envious childand needs your money to rebuild.. My spouse and I and many others went to college with James in the eighties in Canada. In 2018, Roys' journalism exposed the now-former senior pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel (HBC) James MacDonald for his aggressive leadership style and abuse of the church's finances. When I did not immediately respond, MacDonald tweeted I had declined his invitation, which I did not. But some of these people, for 10 years or more, had been maligned. I remember as a young pastor first hearing about James at a 2002 Moody Pastors Conference and reading his well written book on hermeneutics with an apologetic leaning and being blessed from his book. And I hope I hope that a lot of people have read that and they dont owe me anything, but I hope its been healing to them. And we were at an absolute stalemate. You do that, and hope that the person will repent, and that they will turn and that therell be restoration. Otherwise just say what you really mean in your question: Im better than you because I would never support "Mancow Airs Shocking Comments By James MacDonald": Julie Roys' Response February 12, 2019 Cherie Vandermillen [Julie Roys] I never thought I would hear an evangelical, mega-church pastor talk about planting child pornography on the computer of an executive at a Christian publication. Ill tell you one thing, Julie. And I just asked the Holy Spirit to show me You have to show me You have to show me whats going on. In that same meeting that same Thursday night, he argued, the elders shouldnt have the letters. And you know, Rick Donald was one of the people. And you have James McDonald coming in, from the United States, getting off the plane for a little bit, doing a few meetings, which I guess he complained about doing. To myself, I said, and do our job. I mean his letter, not just talking about the abusive behavior of James, but the things he did with the money going on African safaris with the church money. And if I can give you a context, where I was in my thought process, in that. But, at whatever time it was, you know, midnight in India or something sitting in the lobby, I sent an email, put my name on it, heres my statement. Thank you Jesus, Amen. To donate, James MacDonald Ministries June 13, 2021 Email, Ed Stetzer Named Dean of Biola Universitys Talbot School of Theology, James MacDonald Preaching at ARC Megachurch in Arizona, Landon MacDonald to Lead Arizona Megachurch Despite Allegations of Abuse When at Harvest Bible Chapel, Why Businessman Peter Chung Matters for the Future of The Kings College. After you guys. Yes, it is. And I sat and prayed. And so when they started arguing the process, I was just like, Oh, my gosh, thats what were just gonna talk about the process. Id read through everything and all the letters. And it was a pretty tough meeting. Patient, kind, not self-seeking. But over there, you know, I, you know, six, seven people who had read the letters, probably more than that by the time, and we talked about what was in the letters. As youll hear in this podcast, there was a strong push to suppress those letters by those loyal to James McDonald. But like you do what that says and the people responded as you hope Christians do. And there were a number in the room who were looking at I Timothy 5, thats for those who persistence sin rebuke them in the presence of all so that the rest may stand in fear. And at this point, the letters, what had happened with the letters? I agree. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? That way youll never miss an episode. And that would have been right before you came back on the board. The ministry is growing, we should expect to be attacked. And I was still on the board. Well, you know, we laugh about it. That would have been December I think 18th, 2018. And then immediately after I felt that relief, I thought of Betsy Corning. She also previously hosted a national talk show on the Moody Radio Network, called Up for Debate, and has worked as a TV reporter for a CBS affiliate. Malachi 2:16 has been harmfully interpreted & practiced based on twisted translations, Malachi 2 clearly talks about husbands dealing treacherously w their wives these husbands are the ones who hate and divorce 16 The man who hates and divorces his wife, says the Lord, the God of Israel, does violence to the one he should protect, says the Lord Almighty. Whats the point of arguing the point, you know, like, okay, youre gonna say you dont remember that part. And so we had a long meeting that Saturday to talk about what we were going to do. Gary, Im not positive on that. Okay. I dont know whether its the way way down or the way back Id have to reread the letter, but I mean, they stopped and went to the DR,. I dont know how the person who gave them to me got them. But so much else not owned. I remember waking up that morning. And learn how MacDonald almost escaped being exposedand how six scathing letters that revealed MacDonalds true nature almost failed to reach the elder board. Its funny how things turn out, and this situation isnt wrapped up, yet. I also knew that I needed to talk enough so that it wasnt like, well, this whats whats going on with him? Of it could be that shes been taken in by him. I did hear from one after I reached out to him because we had another connection with another organization that hes a head of. And if he doesnt, what does that mean in terms of employment at Harvest Bible Chapel? Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! How much do you make? No, its not how it went down, Julie. The Lord made it really clear. Christian Rocker Posts Stunning Response to Recent Apostasy of Christian Leaders, Chicago Radio Host & a Former Bodyguard Say James MacDonald Asked Them to Arrange Murders, James MacDonald Took Millions from Harvest & Now Demands Broadcast Ministry, Mancow Airs Shocking Comments By James MacDonald: My Response. Then the board announced its executive committee would be resigning over the next few months. Do you expect ANYONE to say yes to your question. Great! She gave it to me to get to the elders. But he said when he and Scott Phelps and Barry Slebaugh went into a meeting with James in the summer of 2012, asking for, whats your salary James? And we had consensus from everybody in the room that James McDonald was not qualified to as an elder and that his employment at Harvest Bible Chapel was over. MacDonald is a successful American religious entrepreneur. In this episode of The Roys Report, former Harvest elder, Dan George, joins Julie to tell the real story of MacDonalds firing. We had to deal with it. The Roys Report has over 78 articles dedicated to MacDonald and/or HBC, many of which were written by Roys. Send your questions about the Bible, ministry, or personal matters below. And theres Ephesians 5 about exposing the unfruitful works of darkness having nothing to do with those. He was like he started appealing the process. But I knew I needed to do it. And this was a spiritual battle. Tell me about that meeting and what he did. I mean, I got exonerated rather quickly. How do you how do you do anything with 30 people? But for us not to act would be unbelief. Imagine such a thing. We did not hurry. There would be no Roys Report without Judson University. And why do you do it in front of everybody? So, Dan, thank you for that. There was just an absolute refusal to rebuke him publicly. So this is going to be a fascinating podcast. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. And I had already written back to Executive Committee Chairman at the time and said, we cannot say unconditional support. You have exemplified godly leadership and godly character. She was a late comer to those of us who had been exposing MacD for a long time. I wasnt looking forward to that. He also advertised an upcoming GrampCampan overnight retreat providing training and tools for grandparents to connect with their grandkids. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. And we got to a Saturday meeting then on the ninth. It was so much easier to read and understand. The picture with deceiver Kari Lake speaks volumes! Yeah. And were like, boy, I hate to say this, but that just felt demonic. Ministry News. So he was fired. To donate, click here. Subscribe here for Pastor James' twice-weekly email devotionals straight to you inbox, plus occasional updates regarding his ministries, events, and personal news. He would probably be wildly successful. So grateful to be healthy and happy in the Lord to where I can finally wade into the filth from JuLIE Roys. Not all he said was false because then it would have been obvious to any discerning Christian. The devil is at work. If this passage defines what a strong husband looks like, I think most of the issues take care of themselves. He was the second longest tenured pastor at Harvest. Just finished my post on clarifiers that will precede the deception lists. And marital and sexual satisfaction plummet., We are meant to set aside power and authority and serve one another (Matthew 20:25-28) as we are partnered together (Ecclesiastes 4:9-12), Gregoire added. Again, Dan was one of the elders who confronted James back in 2012, and then got excommunicated from Harvest. He was an incredible communicator both orally and his deportment was engaging. First he used to walk up and down the isles and second it was a bit more exegetical than primarily exhortation based and those dynamics flipped. So for Jim McDonald to say that he didnt remember like, Im not buying it, right? The pastor of the largest church in Minnesota (around 23,000 average . when men make the final decision in the marriage, even if they consult with their wife first, chances of divorce increases 7.4 times . So at the end of the night, no one got the letters. . I acknowledge my sin to you. He should sell cars or computers. https://biblehub.com/hebrew/898.htm bagad (treachery aka abuse) is used FIVE times in Malachi 2:10-16!!! George of course evangelicalism is [anti-Christ] fundamentalism. And I thought, well, I got to read the letter. If you find yourself unaware of Christians should stop feeding these people. But I had all I had all the letters by that point. And what happened and all the backroom meetings, private conversations and phone calls leading up to that fateful event? The Roys Report reached out to MacDonald with questions about the email, which he would not answer on the record. I stepped away from my computer a couple of times. Following allegations of years-long bullying and financial misconduct, the lead pastor and executive team of an Association of Related Churches (ARC) megachurch, Everyone was laughing and goading, like it was a jokeuntil it wasnt. Dan was one of the elders who fired James McDonald. That was really wrongdoing at Harvest, would be to repent. Also, in addition to those, you have the letter that was written by eight former elders at Harvest, who brought them in 2012, to the elder board, and within 24 hours, were excommunicated for bringing charges against James McDonald. Thought process, in that still on james macdonald julie roys elder board, we laugh it! 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